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Mark T. Barclay: Mental illness, Reality and the Trinity by Ken Mattson

“The largest subgroup to experience this problem is the combat veteran. In the United States, the Vietnam War has produced the largest percentage of PTSD cases. In fact, it was after studies of Vietnam veterans were added to studies of civilian post-trauma sufferers that the American Psychiatric Association created, in 1980, the diagnostic category: post-traumatic stress disorder (acute, chronic, and/or delayed).” Anxieties.com

“The incidence of OCD in service personnel is uncertain. Most of the information comes from US studies which have typically looked at Vietnam veterans. Lifetime prevalence rates among Vietnam veterans range from 0.5% – 5.5% depending on severity of “war zone stress”. Veterans info

So does Mark T. Barclay as a Vietnam vet have some sort of mental illness? After years of writing on this theological blog, I recently started wondering if that might be the case.

If you listened to Barclay’s preaching and the testimonies of his associate ministers. They will begin to talk about how clean his vehicles are and preach of their strange but rather spiritual experiences when going into Mark T. Barclay’s bedroom and seeing his neat sock drawer. One of them went even as far as preaching after this bazaar event that his sock drawer experience that day was bible college.

To me and those who are reading this bazaar testimony. To even classify seeing someone’s tidy sock drawer and relating it to education in bible college is absolutely weirdo stuff! For certain, I can say that wasn’t bible college, the same as I can say that Mormon underwear aren’t holy. It’s just weirded out stuff! Almost relatable to seeing others in Mark Barclay’s congregation with identically oiled back hair like him.

So is this excessive cleaning behavior of Mark T. Barclay’s normal or a characteristic of holiness?

By all accounts it’s not normal and no, and it’s not even close to being biblical holiness nor righteousness. Any righteousness the believer has is always a direct result by Jesus Christ’s wonderful and saving work by grace and through faith alone by his imputed righteousness to the believing sinner. Being united with Christ’s vicarious death and resurrection, the sinners old nature is forever severed. Thus, the new believer desires righteousness and holiness and not excessive cleaning of outward material things like Mark T. Barclay and the pharisees.

From what I remember of the testimonies of Barclay’s bedroom in that sermon. There were no study books laying around or research papers for messages. But what was clearly evident from the testimony was that Mark T. Barclay spent hours and many hours on tidying his socks and meticulously coordinating them and placing them in his drawer.

To be frank, this type of behavior is clearly not normal, because normal people don’t behave strangely like this and certainly not ministers. It’s certainly not a characteristic of a man of God. But this compulsion sounds like a ‘mark’ of a mental disorder like OCD and one that might be caused from the Vietnam War.

“Compulsions are repetitive acts which an individual may perform incessantly in a rigid and stereotypical manner. They are often related to a particular obsession. For example, an individual with an obsessional fear of contamination may clean compulsively. Classically, compulsive rituals are performed to reduce anxiety or tension associated with the obsession.” Veterans info

The U.K Military, based on U.S medical research report goes on further and describes common compulsions as OCD.

“Common compulsions include: Cleaning. This may involve excessive hand washing or cleaning of surfaces, cutlery, crockery, etc. Counting. The person frequently counts to specific numbers, often in order to prevent some unspecified catastrophe.” Veterans info

Recently, one of the elders at Amazing Grace Church gave a testimony how Mark Barclay helped their churdog tagch after a leadership change, and from her own words, he sat them down as a marine. This was her actual wording of the event, a MARINE! That’s quite frightening, because Barclay wasn’t a soldier at the time. The war had been over for a few decades then and he was still functioning from their testimony like that of a jarhead.

So what do you think about this? Do you think it’s strange that Mark Barclay still acts like a soldier and calls himself a General? From Barclay’s bazaar sock drawer testimonies one can see that something isn’t healthy. Further, if you follow Barclay and are under him as a minister, do you think he is right in being obsessed with counting your tithe?

As you can see from the military reports and from Mark T. Barclay’s associated ministers testimonies that something isn’t right. The list goes on further like making sure the truck gas tank is always full and making sure it’s meticulously cleaned. And running his elder meeting like a cult with 2am meetings, which cause sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation is a well documented tool of cults, because it’s an effective way of indoctrination.

Part two coming soon.

Next time, I want to write on reality and what is real. Reality is that the Christian church has condemned Mark T. Barclay as a heretic for teaching at least three of the most destructive Trinitarian heresies known to the Christian church. Barclay like other heretics and cults says this is not reality, but in Barclay’s words any defense of the Orthodox teaching on the Trinity is slander against him.

So, has Mark T. Barclay lost touch with reality? American democracy is a historical reality. Its development is well documented and so is the doctrine of the Trinity. The Christian church has the authority of Scripture against Barclay and other heretics like the Gnostics. That same authority of holy Scripture never once teaches that God is a three-part being as Barclay heretically teaches. It’s the history of the very words of the Church father’s who condemn Mark Barclay word for word through the Orthodox statements on the Trinity and the Person of Christ….this is not only reality, but it’s a well documented historical reality.

Updated: Aug, 12, 2014

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This is just a side note, but I’ve been through the whole country of Vietnam and I’ve seen for myself the country and the ongoing affects of the war and it’s still not a pretty sight. I’ve recently talk to a guy in his 20’s from the country and he told me that it was his generation that suffered the most. After hearing more of what he said, I had to hold back my tears after hearing that, because I was in a public place.

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I just would like to say many blessings to all who have read the blog and followed it through last year.

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Until it was confirmed by Barclay himself, I only knew out of inference before 2012 that Mark T. Barclay was teaching falsely on the Trinity. It was from Barclay’s clear lack of understanding basic teachings such as the saving nature of grace, justification by faith, sanctification/holiness, union with Christ, and the resurrection of Christ that I knew it.

I even thought for a long time that Mark T. Barclay was just fumbling like other Word-faith teachers at basic Christian doctrine. The clarity of the Gospel was missing in both Barclay’s books and teachings, and this is because the Trinity was missing, which furnishes the keys to all other doctrines in the entire Bible, thus Mark T. Barclay was teaching a different Christ and prophesying by a different Christ. Moreover, Mark T. Barclay is a heretic who just doesn’t fumble at basic Christian doctrine like many of his pastor followers, but Mark is a false teacher as the Church has declared and self-condemned as Scripture says about other heretics, because of his evil teachings on the Godhead.

A “God” who is made up of parts as Barclay heretically teaches can’t save. Only the Triune Jehovah of Scripture who the Church has faithfully preached saves. The  glorious God who is alone Triune in personality, being God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is the only one true God and Saviour, because it took all members of the divine Trinity to redeem sinfully lost mankind.

So, if you are reading this blog and you don’t know God, and you want to personally know God who is Triune and glorious, you can. It takes repentance and belief. No sin is small and an all sin deserves damnation. Only through believing and totally trusting in Christ can you be saved from eternal hell and have eternal life and given the gift of righteousness. Only by resting on Christ alone and by grace alone can you receive justification and eternal life.

Blessings,

Ken

TOP POST FOR 2012

1. Mark T. Barclay and the Prosperity Gospel.

2. An Assessment on Mark T. Barclay’s False Prophecies Part 2.

3. Mark T. Barclay and Modalism: The Man Outside Ecclesia.

4. Mark T. Barclay Vs George W. Bush.

5. Mark T. Barclay and Modalism: Cult

Mark T. Barclay and Modalism: Cult by Ken Mattson

In this post, I want to explore what is a cult and what differentiates Mark T. Barclay Ministries, Jehovah’s Witnesses and others like the Mormons from Christian orthodoxy. As we have seen before in the last few post, like other heretical groups Mark T. Barclay’s teaching on the Holy Trinity is much different than what the Church has taught for the last 2000 years, from the time of the Apostles and to what was ratified in 325 A.D at Nicaea and handed down by the Church fathers in the Nicene Creed. 

The Church has stated along with the authority of the Bible that God is divine eternal persons and not parts or manifestations, but one God in three eternal, and co-equal persons, being God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Whereas Barclay[1] has taught that there was change in the Godhead and they are not persons, but one God with three parts, like his son Josh being body, soul and spirit. The Church clearly condemned Mark T. Barclay’s teaching as heresy, because it is a terrible distortion of the doctrine of the Trinity revealed in Scripture and it is outside Christian orthodoxy.

Partialism …taught that Father, Son and Holy Spirit together are components of the one God. This led them to believe that each of the persons of the Trinity is only part God, only becoming fully God when they come together.” Trinitarian Heresies

So what is a cult and why is Mark T. Barclay Ministries, Jehovah’s Witnesses and others considered by the Church as cults and teaching heresy? The answer is because their teachings are not orthodox in that they have distorted cardinal teachings like the Trinity, the Person of Christ, and the saving nature of Grace.

Here are a few quotes from a few experts, including Walter Martin.

A cult, then, is a group of people polarized around someone’s interpretation of the Bible and is characterized by major deviations from orthodox Christianity relative to the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith, particularly the fact that God became man in Jesus Christ” (Walter Martin, The Rise of the Cults, p. 12).

A cult is any group that deviates from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith being derived from the Bible and confirmed through the ancient ecumenical creeds.” CRI

Pseudo-Christian CultsThese groups deny or distort fundamental Christian doctrines such as the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and salvation by grace through faith alone. Some cults that would fall into this category are the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Science, The Way International, and the Unity School of Christianity.” CRI

The Nicene Creed says:

“We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being or substance(homoousion) with the Father; through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary and became truly human.”[2]

Here we can learn that Mark T. Barclay not only has the doctrine of the Trinity wrong, but as stated briefly before he also has Christology wrong. The Creed above says that Christ is light from light and God from God. The early Church fathers against false doctrines concerning the nature of Christ stated along with the authority of Scripture that Christ is indeed fully God and fully man, not a part, but the Second Person in the divine Trinity.

Hebrews 1:1-4 says, “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.”

The verse I want to focus on is verse 3 which states that, “He(Christ) is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature”. In other translations like the NIV it says the “exact representation” like in the production of perfect coins being imaged stamped which in greek it is “charakter” meaning “exact duplicate” of the nature or being(Greek hypostasis) of God the Father in every way. Moreover, whatever God the Father has in attribute and power the Son has and is an exact duplicate of the Father’s being or substance.[3]

The image stamped on coins, seals, wax, expresses the idea: and the sense here is, that if God be represented under the idea of a substance, or being, then Christ is the exact resemblance of that – as an image is of the stamp or die. The resemblance between a stamp and the figure which is impressed is exact; and so is the resemblance between the Redeemer and God”.[4]

So thus far, though contrary to what groups like Mark T. Barclay Ministries and Jehovah Witnesses teach. We have learned from Scripture that the Lord Jesus is the exact representation of the Father, an exact duplicate of his being (hypostasis). We also can learn from this passage that there are personal distinctions in the Godhead and different but united roles in redemption. The Father is the Father and the Son is the Son and not the Father, nor is the Father the Son. There is no confusion of persons, but they are one.[5]

If Christ is a duplicate of the Father’s exact nature of being(hypostasis) from the passage we unpacked above, then what does Scripture say about him? Well, Scripture tells an entirely different Christ than cults falsely teach. The Lord Jesus is not only an exact duplicate of God the Father’s being, but in Jesus dwells all the fullness of deity in body form.

Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,”

1 Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

John 1:18 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

John 14:8-9Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”

Colossians 1:15-16 “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities―all things were created through him and for him.”

As we can see from the Scriptures above, Mark T. Barclay like other heretics utterly fail at proper exegesis of Scripture and this is because he is teaching by the spirit of error. Christ is not just ‘a part’ of God as Barclay falsely teaches, but Jesus is fully God, being the only begotten Son. If all fullness of deity dwells bodily in Christ, then we also know that of course all fullness of deity dwells in the other persons of the Trinity. Meaning, the Father who Christ exactly duplicates is fully God, and the person of the Holy Spirit is also fully God.

So does this mean that there are three gods? No, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is simultaneously one and three. The Trinity is a mystery, but we know that all persons are fully God and that there is only one God. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, each person is fully God, but there is only one God.

Ephesians 4:5-6 “There is one body and one Spirit just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”

So using a little deduction we learn: 1. All Cults deviate from orthodoxy. 2. Mark T. Barclay Ministries deviates from orthodoxy. 3. Therefore, Mark T. Barclay Ministries is a cult. 

So using a little deduction we learn: 1. All Cults deviate from orthodoxy. 2. Mark T. Barclay Ministries deviates from orthodoxy. 3. Therefore, Mark T. Barclay Ministries is a cult. So it is perfectly and legally right to use the word ‘cult’ when referring to Mark T. Barclay and his ministry at Living Word International and his Preacher of Righteousness Network,[6] because Mark has deviated “from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith being derived from the Bible and confirmed through the ancient ecumenical creeds.”[7]

Those that permit the Holy Spirit to be their Father. Those who will allow the Holy Spirit, remember he’s not a third Person, he is God made up of three parts just likemy son Josh and his soul is not some body else and his spirit is not someone else, and so I got to decipher…….Now there’s not three people, it’s just one Josh three parts. There’s not three Gods, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, he’s just one. He’s just got three parts. So this great Holy Spirit wants to father you.” Jesus, the Command Giver – Mark T. Barclay[8]

References

1. “In heaven Jesus was not known as Jesus, he was known as the Word. In Genesis Chapter. 1, it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah. There was his word, later on when he come here God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua….and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Mark T. Barclay, Jesus the command giver.

2. Nicene Creed

3. Wayne Grudem, An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, Pg. 236.

4. http://bible.cc/hebrews/1-3.htm Barnes notes on the bible.

5. The Jesus that Mark T. Barclay is preaching is a different Jesus…..Any so called hired “cult expert” by Barclay should have figured that out if indeed their credentials where true, but then again money can buy many things, including so called experts with shady backgrounds and financial problems.

6. I am sorry to inform many of you who say that “Mark T. Barclay is my pastor”. Mark T. Barclay cannot be your pastor, because he is not in your church administering Word and Sacrament on a weekly or even bi-weekly basis. Only on a cultic level can Mark T. Barclay be ‘your pastor’. Just think of all the tithes and offerings that you robbed your own church of and has gone into the hands of a cult!

7. http://www.equip.org/perspectives/what-is-a-religious-cult/

8.The doctrine of the Trinity “furnishes the key to all other doctrines”, that is how important it is to Christianity. However, if one deviates from the Scriptural basis of who God is being Trinity, its results are absolutely devastating to every other doctrine in Christianity including Christology and this is what we see Mark T. Barclay’s teachings, because it is cultic and clearly outside biblical orthodoxy. “The ancient church did in fact speak strongly on this issue, and decided that in fact the broad outlines of trinitarian Christianity are among the things necessary for salvation.” Fred Sanders

 

Mark T. Barclay and Modalism: Reverend Sam Cottle’s Gold by Ken Mattson

So what are your credentials? Why should I trust anything you say? For that matter why should anyone? What is your real problem with Dr. Barclay?

He Further Writes…If you knew Dr. Barclay you would realize his teaching/training to those of us credentialed with him is biblically sound. He himself states that what he is saying is not extra Biblical revelation. You have to follow his teachings more closely to understand that though. He teaches over and over that no one should blindly follow anyone. We don’t blindly follow, we have tested the relationship, the man’s life and his doctrine and all of them are shining like gold.

Relationship is what the Gospel of Jesus is all about.

Fight the fight it is for your faith!

Sam Cottle [1]

Dear Reverend Cottle,

Every believer has been given the privilege and the right to recognize false doctrine and false teachers by the third person in the Trinity. Not one of God’s children including myself needs ‘special credentials’ as you are seeking. Mr. Cottle, read your bible!

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1John 2:26

But if you want to know my credentials they are such, unlike you I’ve been taught by leading biblical scholars who are Anglican, Pentecostal, Lutheran, and Reformed from all over the world and I study have studied to show myself capable. By the way, if it’s any indication by the first men who Jesus picked, you would know what the Lord Jesus thinks about degrees such as PhDs!

If you listened to sound doctrine, you would hear what I’m saying, because what I’ve wrote are things which aren’t myself, but what the church has stated over and over about who God the Trinity is and the salvation which was purchased by the Lord Jesus Christ precious sacrificial life, death and resurrection. These are things which Mark T. Barclay has twisted and erroneously taught in heretical error just like his false prophecies.

Moreover, sound doctrine does matter and those who are the true church, which some have called the invisible church will listen. They are whom who will hear what I’m am saying, those who are children of God by grace of adoption and true members of Christ by sanctification of the Holy Spirit. You Samuel, though are very ignorant of basic christian doctrine such as the teachings on who Christ is being the God-man, the Holy Trinity, and the saving nature of Grace by the substitutionary atonement of Christ. Teachings that are central to the gospel are not in your vocabulary, but Barclay is.

fool’s gold

I say all of that because you have stated that you and your other Preacher of Righteousness members have tested your relationship with Mark T. Barclay and “the man’s life and his doctrine and all of them are shining like gold.” That’s absolutely frightening that you would say something like that and you are a pastor, given Mark T. Barclay’s heretical teaching on the Holy Trinity. Heresy doesn’t get more clearer, but then again you are very ignorant!

God is triune; there are within the Godhead three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and the work of salvation is one in which all three act together, the Father purposing redemption, the Son securing it and the Spirit applying it.[2]

I have come to the conclusion that you don’t know what sound doctrine is or even care what the bible and the church has stated about who God is three in one, eternally Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Trinity is so completely foundational in Christian doctrine that all other doctrines in the New Testament are connected to it and Barclay clearly stands outside Biblical orthodoxy and Evangelicalism teaching that God is parts and not persons and teaching their eternal names were changed. Which teachings are so completely erroneous such things only heretics have taught.

This will probably be a shocker to you, but what Mark T. Barclay teaches is extra-biblical, because his formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity isn’t found in Scripture and you are ignorant enough to write me that his doctrine is as good as shining gold. Now, Mr. Cottle, you couldn’t of tested that upon Scripture and it’s very possible that your ignorance is from deception, because you’ve believed a lie over the biblical truth of the Trinity.

True worship must be governed by God’s self-revelation as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The church throughout history has endeavored to be faithful to this truth in her liturgy with constant affirmation of the Trinitarian faith as in the singing of Trinitarian hymns as the Doxology. Thus, true worship is Trinitarian and only. It’s not just Jesus nor singling out one of the other members of the personal Trinity, but worship is rendered to the Father through the Son and in the Holy Spirit.

Praise God from whom all blessings flow;

Praise Him, all creatures here below;

Praise Him above, ye heavenly host;

Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost;

Amen.[3]

Furthermore, worship garners its sharpest focus in the Eucharistic celebration and the church is most truly the church as it celebrates both the Eucharist and baptism. This is the Trinitarian pattern of worship the Lord Jesus Himself gave to his church and has been celebrated by Christians for thousands of years. This is in stark contrast to Mark T. Barclay’s liturgy which is based on Word-faith tradition.[4] Such practices are not Eucharistic nor Trinitarian, but centers on the unsound exhortation of the offering time, which were born out of the heretical prosperity gospel and thus have warped the means of Grace.

I wont even ask you if you believe in the Evangelical doctrine of the Trinity, because you clearly don’t have a correct understanding of who God is and isn’t. Nor do you worship as the church has worshipped in Trinity by following Barclay’s heresy. Mr. Cuttle, you clearly need deep repentance as Mark T. Barclay, because with other heretics Barclay stand outside the church.

In Christ alone,

Kenneth

P.S. Mr. Cottle, I would like to thank you for advising me to follow Mark T. Barclay’s teachings more closely. It was only out of inference that I knew Barclay didn’t understand basic bible doctrine like the Trinity and the saving nature of grace, but now I know straight from the horses mouth.[5]

P.S.S. You better get that gold checked out again, because according to the church’s creedal statements and liturgy you’re holding fools gold!

References

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  1. Wednesday Feb 8, 2011. “Ken, So what are your credentials? Why should I trust anything you say? For that matter why should anyone? What is your real problem with Dr. Barclay? You can argue politics if you want to, that seems like what this blog and email is all about. You can quote all you want about the CIA, George Bush, and whomever. I have spoken with those on the ground fighting the battle. There is no point in that argument believe what you will and so will I. Why are there military documents that are classified for years before they are made public information? If you knew Dr. Barclay you would realize his teaching/training to those of us credentialed with him is biblically sound. He himself states that what he is saying is not extra Biblical revelation.  You have to follow his teachings more closely to understand that though.  He teaches over and over that no one should blindly follow anyone. We don’t blindly follow, we have tested the relationship, the man’s life and his doctrine and all of them are shining like gold. Relationship is what the Gospel of Jesus is all about. Fight the fight it is for your faith! Sam Cottle What is your real problem with him because the rest of this is just the mask?”
  1. Knowing God by J.I. Packer, http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-God-J-I-Packer/dp/083081650X
  2. The Doxology sang by David Crowder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xRWWG2Wuds
  1. Pulpit dominated ‘word’ churches resemble mosques. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hrWprl6LdM
  2. Moreover, the lack of the Gospel in Mark T. Barclay’s preaching is a manifestation from the lack of trinitarian theology or it could be said the other way around. The lack of the Trinity in Mark T. Barclay’s preaching is because of the lack of the Gospel and this can be said of others who preach the Prosperity Gospel like Kenneth Copland who has publicly stated heretical ideas of the God-head resembling that of Mormonism.” Mark T. Barclay and the Prosperity Gospel Part II https://thetheologyofmarktbarclay.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/mark-t-barclay-and-the-prosperity-gospel-part-ii/

Mark T. Barclay and Modalism by Ken Mattson

In heaven Jesus was not known as Jesus, he was known as the Word. In Genesis Chapter. 1, it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah. There was his word, later on when he come here God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua….and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Mark T. Barclay, Jesus the command giver. [1]

So what do we learn from Mark T. Barclay’s teaching on the Trinity? 1. That God is three parts. 2. God is not persons. ‘People language’ is only used for the sake of teaching, 3. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not their eternal identity. 4. It’s drastically different from the biblical orthodox doctrine of the Trinity. 5. Barclay is not a theologian nor a biblical scholar as he claims.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is from eternity……..and everything to the contrary must be rejected as heretical.” Thomas Aquinas [2]

About the only thing that Barclay gets right in this definition is the name ‘Trinity’, but his definition is heresy, because it’s not the truth found in Scripture. As we will see below this is warped and touches on the heresy of Modalism, which denies the ontologically distinct persons of the Holy Trinity. So for Barclay to teach that the persons of the Godhead are merely parts instead of persons is serious and heretical and stands outside Christian orthodoxy. [3]

One of the striking realities in both Barclay’s books, teachings and worship services is the lack of Trinitarianism and it’s easy to see why with such devastatingly definitions as we see above. In one single swoop Barclay dismantles biblical orthodoxy and the chain reaction to other biblical doctrines is cataclysmic.

I say cataclysmic, because in Barclay’s preaching and teaching we don’t find a clear understanding of the orthodox teaching of justification by faith, nor sanctification which both are by the substitutionary atonement of Christ. Those teachings which are central to the gospel are just not found and it’s caused from this chain reaction of not understanding the Trinity. In other words, the domino effect is detrimental not only to other doctrines but to the gospel itself. The gospel is Trinitarian in shape, because salvation proceeds from the Holy Trinity.

The Trinity is the foundation of the Christian faith, but the church has also stated that it’s a mystery. God is love, because he is Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not nicknames but is the proper name for the God of the bible. They weren’t changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as Barclay falsely teaches, but they are eternal. The Father uncreated and eternal, the Son uncreated and eternal, the Spirit uncreated and eternal. Their biblical names correspond to who they are and their relations to one another first and then to creation. [4]

Neither do we confound the persons nor divide the substance. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, nor is the Spirit the Son or the Father. They are eternally united and distinct persons, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but there are not three Gods, but one God. [5]

“We understand equality to be in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, inasmuch as no one of them either precedes in eternity, or excels in greatness, or surpasses in power.” Saint Augustine [6]

So what is the biblical definition of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity?

The doctrine of the Trinity is there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In other words, God is one in essence and three in person. These definitions express three important truths: 1. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons, 2. Each person is fully God, 3. There is only one God.

This is what the Church has believed and it has reflected this in its historical writings and creeds for the last 20 centuries. Early church fathers saw these threats similar to Dr. Mark T. Barclay’s definition as heresy and ultimately threats to the Gospel itself. The Godhead is indeed real persons and the early church fathers in the face of attacks such as Arianism and Modalism labored on the truth that God is simultaneously one and three. Not three manifestations nor creatures, or parts, but God is three distinct persons, yet one in essence or substance, “tres Personae, una Substantia.” Church Father Tertillian 160-225 AD[7]

There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.  Thirty-nine Articles

Barclay also has his Christology wrong and is this from his refusal to acknowledge the Eternal distinct persons of the Trinity being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Son is the eternal only begotten Word(Logos)of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the only begotten Son of the Father, the Second person in the divine Trinity.

Moreover, though the Lord Jesus Christ was the pre-incarnate Word his name wasn’t changed to ‘Son’ as Barclay teaches. On top of that Barclay shouldn’t be so quick to correct even the apostle Paul who when writing of the preexistence of the Son referred to him as Christ Jesus. Christ didn’t become the Son at his incarnation, but was already in existence as the Son, a person present with God the Father from all eternity.

Jesus Christ, then is the eternal Son of God, the second person of the Trinity. He is God the Son first for Trinitarian reasons and when he became incarnate he became the son of Mary, the promised son of David, the Messiah.

Without the Trinity there is no salvation, because salvation proceeds from the persons of the Trinity. The father so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son and whoever believes in Him shall be saved. This salvation, the eternal redemptive work of Christ is then applied to the believer by the ministry of the third person, the Holy Spirit.[8]

The more we explore and understand the depths of God’s commitment to salvation, the more we have to come to grips with the triunity of the one God. The deeper we dig into the gospel, the deeper we go into the mystery of the Trinity.” Fred Sanders [9]

It’s no wonder why Barclay gets Christian history like Calvinism wrong like he preached at Amazing Grace Church in Wheeler, Michigan, it’s because he doesn’t understand basic doctrine. He has proven it time and time again. Church history and bible doctrine go hand in hand and Mark’s heretical definition on the Trinity found above clearly stands outside biblical orthodoxy.

Moreover, Dr. Mark T. Barclay cannot call himself evangelical without an orthodox understanding and teaching of the divine persons of the Trinity. No matter what’s on paper or a statement of beliefs, what really matters is what he is teaching. In Mark T. Barclay’s ministry statement of beliefs it states that God is Triune, but when worked out theologically by himself it is not only deficient but doctrinally outside biblical orthodoxy, because his definition is heretical.

This isn’t something new though, because many Word-faith ministers do exactly the same who are part of the Prosperity Gospel. They appear to teach biblical orthodoxy with a statement of beliefs posted on their website, but in reality they vomit falsity. For example Kenneth Copland has teachings concerning the Godhead which resemble that of Mormonism.

It’s easy to see the doctrinal destructiveness of Mark T. Barclay’s heretical teaching on the Holy Trinity. From the eternal persons of the Trinity, to the Person of Christ which is Christology, to the redemptive work of Christ, his substitutionary atonement and doctrines like justification, sanctification of the believer are all corrupted by the domino effect from an warped doctrine of the Trinity. Without the Trinity one has a different gospel and a different god and not the Triune God of the bible.

Barclay’s definition is heresy because its not the truth and like his false prophecies is a fabrication of lies.

What need would there be of the gospel, which is the substance of the New Covenant, laying down (as it does) that the Law and the Prophets lasted until John the Baptist, if thenceforward the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not both believed in as Three, and as making One Only God? God was pleased to renew His covenant with man in such a way as that His Unity might be believed in, after a new manner, through the Son and the Spirit, in order that God might now be known openly, in His proper Names and Persons, who in ancient times was not plainly understood, though declared through the Son and the Spirit. Away, then, with those “Antichrists who deny the Father and the Son.”Church Father, Tertullian, Against Praxeas written before 208A.D.[10]

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References

1.“In heaven Jesus was not known as Jesus, he was known as the word. In Genesis Chapter 1 it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah, there was his word, later on when he come here. God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua…. which really means the savior….So this Word in heaven he was the Word and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God there hovering over the creation of God. So there was the Creator he spoke through the power of his word……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father, the Creator, the Son of God really the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us….and then the Spirit, the great Holy Spirit……So you are three parts right after the image of God.” Mark T. Barclay, Jesus, the command giver. http://www.cfaith.com

2. Summa Theologica by Saint Thomas Aquinas, written 1265-1274 A.D

3. Modalism is a “heretical view that denies the individual persons of the Trinity. [It] views biblical terminology of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as merely modes of existence or manifestations of the one God” http://thecripplegate.com/modalism_oneness_and_td_jakes/

Mark T. Barclay’s denial of the real persons of the Godhead and his insistence that they are parts is akin and a form of Modalism.

Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God.  It is a denial of the Trinity. Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes, or forms. http://carm.org/modalism

The church rejected modelism as a heresy. It is clearly unbiblical, for the three persons enter transaction with one another. Jesus prays to the Father(John 17); the Father speaks from heaven while Jesus is on earth(Matt 3:17). The Father and the Son together send the Spirit into the world(John 14:16), and the spirit bears witness to Jesus.” John M. Frame, Salvation belongs to the Lord.

4. “Overall, the relations of the three are summarized in the concept of love, which involves a dynamic of both giving and receiving. The persons are what they are by virtue of what they give and receive from each other. As such, they constitute the being of God, for there is no being of God underlying what the persons are to and from each other. God’s being is a being in relation, without remainder relational.” Colin E. Gunton The Promise of Trinitarian Theology, page. 143

5. Athanasian creed http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/athanasn.htm

6. Summa Theologica by Saint Thomas Aquinas, written 1265-1274 A.D

7.Tres Personaeuna Substantia, coined by Tertullian and means Three Persons, One Substance.

8. “Christian worship is specifically the encounter with the Triune God whose is revealed in the mystery of salvation, in the work of the Father sending the Son and the Spirit for the redemption of the World. This is why as noted above, the traditional Christian doxology was to the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit.” Pentecostal Theologian Simon Chan, Liturgical Theology pg. 58.

9. The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything by Fred Sanders.

10. Church Father, Tertullian, Against Praxeas written before 208AD.


“…there will be great breakthroughs against the terrorist strong- holds, but it will take much longer to totally eliminate the threat. Weapons of mass destruction will be dealt with this year.” Mark T. Barclay prophecy, I Predict 2005.

If you have followed this blog you will have noticed that I’ve been assessing Mark T. Barclay’s false prophecies and in this essay I want to examine further his prophecy concerning what ‘prophet Barclay’ says came from Jesus himself and what George W. Bush calls the worse mistake of his presidency.  

One of the standards we used comes from one of Barclay’s followers himself and it’s that a false prophet is one who speaks things that don’t come to pass and we can clearly see that what Mark t. Barclay prophesied didn’t happen. There were not any weapons of mass destruction to be even dealt with in Iraq as we will read the humble admission from the person who occupied the highest office in the United States the former president.

Knowing the future is the test not only of a true prophet, it’s also of a true God! God is never wrong about the future or anything else. It’s because God is perfectly holy and good and he can’t do evil. He isn’t a man that he should lie. The Second Person in the Divine Trinity the God-man Jesus Christ knows the future perfectly, because he is the First and the last, the Beginning and the End and the Creator of time itself!

But Mr Bush admits that he was shocked when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. “No one was more shocked and angry than I was when we didn’t find the weapons,” he writes. “I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do.”   BBC

That BBC 2010 quote is from Bush himself from his own memoir

So who should we believe and what should we believe? Well, first of all should I as a Christian be examining Mark T. Barclay’s prophecies? Holy Scripture and leading church theologians say yes as believers we should. Listen to Gordon D. Fee one of the greatest New Testament expositors of our time who helped translate the NIV and TNIV Bibles.

The awe with many contemporary charismatic hold to prophecy and ‘prophets’ which in effect causes them to almost to never be ‘tested,’ stands in basic contradiction to this Pauline injunction (1Thes 5:19-22).” Gordon D. Fee, God’s Empowering Presence, The Holy Spirit in the Letters of Paul Page 62.

Scripture itself calls the church to test prophecy and if we don’t we not practicing sound doctrine and actually stand in contrary to it. So with that said, what have some of Mark T. Barclay’s followers said to me about this testing?

Rev Samuel J Cottle  RPN member and proud of my Prophet, Pastor, Leader writes:

May the hand of God judge severely for your actions against this Prophet of the Lord!“Your arguments hold no weight because in the words of Dr. Barclay, “… were you in the room when God said what HE said to this man of God?  Then shut up your email and learn how damaging you have been to the “Body of Christ”! Dr. Barclay will have mercy because that is how he is.  God’s judgement are severe because “HE will not be mocked if you sow it you reap it.” Repent of your sin so you can Keep the Faith!” Reverend Samuel J Cottle

Quite astonishing words! One can really read the lack of integrity for the authority of Scripture here, but there is no lack of integrity for Mark T. Barclay’s false prophecies!

So lets assess this email

  1. President George W. Bush and I are under severe Judgment for acknowledging the truth that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction to be dealt with or found.

  2. The truth even coming from the humbling of the person who occupied the highest seat in the United States the most powerful man in the World George W. Bush doesn’t hold any weight compared to Mark T. Barclay’s own prophetic words.

  3. To proper test prophecy from Dr. Mark T. Barclay. I needed to be in the same room when God spoke to him and I shouldn’t test Barclay’s prophecies anymore, because I don’t have the authority as a Christian.

  4. Mark T. Barclay’s subjective experiences and prophecies are more authoritative to his followers than sound teaching and historical reality itself.

  5. I’ve sinned and losing my justification which is by faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ unless I repent from my testing.

The illuminist constantly finds that “God tells him” to do things …Illuminists are often very sincere, very dedicated, and possessed of a commitment to obey God that shames more cautious Christians. Nevertheless they are treading a dangerous path. Their ancestors have trodden it before, and always with disastrous results in the long run. Inner feelings and special promptings are by their very nature subjective. The Bible provides our objective guide.” Donald Bridge (British charismatic pastor)

Whatever Barclay has heard privately doesn’t matter and it doesn’t carry any weight of authority over historical reality. Mark T. Barclay can try his best to proclaim his own inerrancy by insisting that he is a prophet of God with the same anointing as the Old Testament prophets and that Jesus told him these things, but it in the end its an attack on the inerrancy of Scripture itself!

The Prophets of today are similar, considering they don’t hold the identical position. I flow in this anointing and gift…….”The Things You Need for the Day Ahead, by Mark T. Barclay

But what ‘Jesus’ told him? How come the ‘Jesus’ who told him was historically wrong on the presence of WMD’s? The Jesus Paul preached perfectly knows the future because he is perfectly good and holy. Scripture says that without Him nothing was created and that’s even time.

Christianity is a true religion and a revealed faith and as we learn from Old Testament prophecies they are events which happened in recorded time. Just as the history of salvation can be proven by historical events like the time of Jesus birth and the specific nation by other historical writings and archeology findings outside the bible. So prophecies can be proven the same historical way .

The Triune God of holy scripture isn’t bound by space and time or limited by his rational creatures, but He has chosen to use creation and time to reveal himself in what we know as history.This is one way we know the difference between a false gospel and the real one preached by Paul. For instance Mormonism makes archeological claims which cannot be historically supported. Joseph Smith claims along with the Mormon bible that Christ visited the Americas after his resurrection to preach to the natives, which events never historically happened.

Joseph Smith claimed he received this revelation from personal visions which an angel directed him to a buried book of golden tablets which told about an Christian history of an ancient American civilization, which once translated the golden tablets became the Book of Mormon.

So how do we know that Joseph Smith and Mormonism isn’t true? Well, first of all we know that it isn’t true because it’s not doctrinally true. At the heart of Mormonism is a denial of the central teachings of Christianity like who God is and who Jesus Christ is and they aren’t the same as historic Christianity. And secondly we know that it’s not true because it’s not historically true. The events which the Book of Mormon say happened have never been shown true archeologically.

On top of all that were Joseph Smith’s prophecies which never came to pass. For example Joseph Smith’s prophecies directly in Doctrine and Covenants 87:2, he predicted that the American Civil War would “be poured out upon all nations.” Which never happened.

“Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!” Galatians 1:7-8

So how do we know that Mark T. Barclay’s prophecy is false? It’s easy, because it’s not historically true and beyond that his prophecy isn’t doctrinally true. The Jesus Paul preached would not tell something that is historically false, which is a lie. If that’s correct then even Mormonism could be true. Only a ‘different Jesus’ preaching ‘another gospel’ told Mark T. Barclay this false prophecy! The very God who created history and time doesn’t lie, because he is holy and knew perfectly that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. So how could they even be dealt with?

So to end this essay, here are a few points in summery.

      1. Mark T. Barclay’s insistence that his prophecy of Weapons of Mass Destruction came from Jesus himself only reveals that this revelation was given by ‘another Jesus’ other than Paul preached.

      2. The Jesus Paul preached perfectly knows the future being the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. He perfectly knows the future being perfect and holy in himself and does not lie.

      3. Mark T. Barclay VS George W. Bush? Well there is no comparison! It’s like comparing a wolf in sheep’s clothing to a real minister. Barclay’s integrity is only skin deep, whereas President Bush was able to humble himself to God and the world and admitting that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

      4. Mark T. Barclay like Joseph Smith both claim to have special visitations and words from the Lord and both have false prophecies, which unlike true biblical prophecy are shown to be historically untrue.

“The Prophets of today are similar, considering they don’t hold the identical position. I flow in this anointing and gift…….” The Things You Need for the Day Ahead, by Mark T. Barclay

Reverend Darryl Baker writes,

I wanted to share with you this week an important prophecy that comes from a man of God, Dr. Mark T. Barclay, whom God has used as one of His prophets in revealing things to the body of Christ that we need to know about.”

He further writes, …”Without going into a lot of detail about true and false prophets, as that would require a complete teaching in itself, realize that a false prophet is one who speaks things that don’t come to pass.”

The Reverend continues in the same thought and proclaims, “There are five primary ways you can know a false prophet, but I can assure you Dr. Barclay’s track record stands for itself. So let me first share with you the prophecy and then explain the significance of why I believe it is so important.”

I should also note that the prophecy which he is referring to is from Mark T. Barclay’s own I Predict 2011.

So what can we learn from Reverend Darryl Baker?

1. These predictions in I Predict are prophecies.

2. Mark T. Barclay is considered a prophet and he reveals things to the body of Christ that we all need to know about.

3. Mark T. Barclay has a track record that can be looked at and tested and that this record stands for itself.

4. A false prophet is one who speaks things that don’t come to pass.

So with this information we shall proceed to assess Dr. Mark T. Barclay’s claim as a New Testament prophet. Mr. Darryl Baker assures us that Barclay’s record stands for itself and to evaluate Barclay’s track record we shall use Pastor Darryl Baker’s own criteria listed in number 4 to make our evaluation, which is, a false prophet is one who speaks things that don’t come to pass. But before we go forward in our evaluation we should get some advice from one of the leading New Testament scholars Gordon D. Fee of the Assemblies of God, Fee writes,

“The awe with many contemporary charismatic hold to prophecy and ‘prophets’ which in effect causes them to almost to never be ‘tested,’ stands in basic contradiction to this Pauline injunction (1Thes 5:19-22).” Gordon D. Fee, God’s Empowering Presence, The Holy Spirit in the Letters of Paul Page 62.”

And beyond Pentecostalism, Anglican charismatic pastor Michael Harper also writes,

“Prophecies which tell other people what they are to do–are to be regarded with great suspicion.”

Again,  Donald Bridge (British charismatic pastor):

“The illuminist constantly finds that “God tells him” to do things …Illuminists are often very sincere, very dedicated, and possessed of a commitment to obey God that shames more cautious Christians. Nevertheless they are treading a dangerous path. Their ancestors have trodden it before, and always with disastrous results in the long run. Inner feelings and special promptings are by their very nature subjective. The Bible provides our objective guide.”

So with that said, we shall test Mark T. Barclay’s prophecies as we are commanded to do in Holy Scripture and we will do so using Pastor Darryl Bakers criteria listed in number 4 and if these test show that Mark T. Barclay’s prophecies don’t come to pass then according to Rev. Baker, Mark T. Barclay is a false prophet.

Barclay’s own website bio says that he is proven, “a precise leader among other ministers worldwide….God has anointed him with a severely accurate prophetic ministry.”

“I know deep on the inside that God has anointed me to prepare His people for his coming…..I know that God has called me to be a prophetic voice to the last generations before He climaxes the ages.” The Things You Need for the Day Ahead, by Mark T. Barclay.

So we shall see if this is true by examining again a few of Dr. Barclay’s prophecies. In doing so I want to first get the help from a new website that has compiled a list of Barclay’s prophecies and use which has been confirmed that from 2004 through 2009 that only one out of four or five have come true while the rest have never happen, or the opposite of the prophecy happened! This is quite astonishing! Here we have a minister Dr. Mark T. Barclay claiming to have such an anointing and claiming that these prophecies have come from the Lord Jesus himself, which never come true or the complete opposite happens.

I want to list a few of these false prophecies below from 2005 alone in which I will assess myself.

“…there will be great breakthroughs against the terrorist strong- holds, but it will take much longer to totally eliminate the threat. Weapons of mass destruction will be dealt with this year.” Mark T. Barclay prophecy, I Predict 2005.

This one is again laughable but its also destructive because it’s a pure false prophecy. Nothing like that historically ever happened and there were no credible weapons of mass destruction ever found in Iraq. There were absolutely none and the weapons that were found were very little and weren’t militarily operational. George Bush even said that this was an intelligence mistake, but it was touted as a reason to go to war. Bush went on further in his own memoir in 2010 writing that not finding Weapons of mass destruction was the biggest mistake of his presidency. Yet, Barclay prophesied differently!

“But Mr Bush admits that he was shocked when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. “No one was more shocked and angry than I was when we didn’t find the weapons,” he writes. “I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do.”   BBC

That BBC 2010 quote is from Bush himself from his own memoir

The second Mark T. Barclay false prophecy is one that concerns the United State’s economy. Now if you don’t know, you now feel it, because this was a decisive year in the start of downturn of the American economy, especially the housing market and the U.S auto industry, but Dr. Mark T. Barclay prophesies differently.

“…the general economy in the United States will increase, therefore people will be less afraid for their future and will give more liberally. Our churches will be financially stronger this year.” Mark T. Barclay prophecy, I Predict 2005.

This prophecy never happened, but what happen was a sharp economic decline in the U.S in which the country has never got itself out of and the economic decline let to the worse recession in U.S history since the Great Depression. On top of this we watched the U.S dollar begin to decline in value. 2005 wasn’t an increase in the United States economy as Mark T. Barclay falsely prophesied, but it was the start of the economic crash of the United States. Mark T. Barclay couldn’t be more wrong here and he couldn’t be more specifically false than what happened here.

Reverend Darryl Baker writes,

“..a false prophet is one who speaks things that don’t come to pass.”

We can clearly see that what Barclay has prophesied in these two prophecies haven’t come to pass and that they are gross errors done in the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. So in Reverend Darryl Baker’s own words Mark T. Barclay is a false prophet, because the historical data doesn’t lie, but Mark T. Barclay does. There were no credible WMD’s ever found in Iraq and the United States economy never increased and ever since has crashed. Mark T. Barclay’s prophecies have been shown not to come to pass, they are severely false. There is no way around it these are false prophecies.

*Note: The above picture is that of the Mormon bible which like Barclay’s website has many unfulfilled prophecies.  For example Joseph Smith’s prophecies directly in Doctrine and Covenants 87:2, he predicted that the American Civil War would “be poured out upon all nations.”  This did not occur.



* Last update 02-1-12. Bush went on further in his own memoir in 2010 writing that not finding Weapons of mass destruction was the biggest mistake of his presidency. “But Mr Bush admits that he was shocked when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. “No one was more shocked and angry than I was when we didn’t find the weapons,” he writes.
“I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do.”   BBC

That BBC 2010 quote is from Bush himself from his own memoir