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Billy Graham“The Bible teaches that God is actually three Persons. This is a mystery that we will never be able to understand. The Bible does not teach that there are three Gods –but that there is one God. This one God, however, is expressed in three Persons. There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit.”

 “The Second Person of this Trinity is God’s Son, Jesus Christ. He is co-equal with God the Father. He was not a Son of God but the Son of God. He is the Eternal Son of God –the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, God manifested in the flesh, the living Savior.” Peace with God by Billy Graham, Page 89.

 The above quote is from Reverend Billy Graham, who is the most celebrated Evangelical of our time. Throughout Graham’s books and preaching of the Gospel there is always an underlying Trinitarianism as seen above.

 So in this post, I want to point out further the distinctions between the Orthodox doctrine of the Trinity and Mark T. Barclay’s Trinitarian heresy . Or in other words, I want to show again how drastically different Mark T. Barclay’s god is being a three-part being and not Persons in Trinity as he teaches. And by contrast continue to show that Mark T. Barclay is worshipping a different god than Christianity.

Though on Twitter, Mark T. Barclay says he believes in the Trinity, but when Barclay’s actual teachings and sermons on the Trinity are contrasted with Billy Graham and Christian orthodoxy, this is apparently not so.

“Those that permit the Holy Spirit to be their Father. Those who will allow the Holy Spirit, remember he’s not a third Person, he is God made up of three parts just like…my son Josh and his soul is not somebody else and his spirit is not someone else, and so I got to decipher…Now there’s not three people, it’s just one Josh three parts. There’s not three Gods, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, he’s just one. He’s just got three parts. So this great Holy Spirit wants to father you.” Jesus, the Command Giver – Mark T. Barclay

 Subsequently, like all other trinitarian heretics. Not only does Barclay deny such Orthodoxy held by Evangelicals as Billy Graham, but destroys it through his heretical teachings on both the Trinity and the Person of Jesus Christ.

 Thus, Mark T. Barclay’s own falsehood is just part of his masquerade to get people to believe a lie by clothing his false messages on the Trinity with the language of Scripture. And another way to get more money to pay for his jet and other over expenditures and for people to think he is a genuine a leader and an Evangelical.

 One would have to be Scripturally stupid to believe Mark T. Barclay after listening to him teach on the Doctrine of the Trinity. I say stupid, because this is the language of Scripture to all who receive a false gospel.

 Why did I say gospel? Well, because a God who is composed of parts is not the God of the Lord Jesus Christ and a god composed of parts as Mark T. Barclay’s can’t save.

 God, however, being without parts, is Father of the Son without division and without being acted upon. For neither is there an effluence from that which is incorporeal, nor is there anything flowering into him from without, as in the case of men. Being simple in nature, he is Father of one only Son” Saint Athanasius (Letter on the Council of Nicaea A.D. 350)

 One of the words used by Saint Athanasius in the above quotes that immediately condemns Mark T. Barclay’s heresy is the word “incorporeal”. What does incorporeal mean? It means that God does not have a body and is not composed of parts, and certainly not a three-part being as Barclay teaches.  

Thus, God is spirit as the Bible teaches and it’s absolutely unscriptural and heretical for Mark T. Barclay to teach who the Trinity is composed of parts like his son Josh and not distinct Persons. “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24

 Why is the Trinity important? Well, first of all it’s important, because it’s God’s own identity and the Doctrine of the Trinity, and along with the Doctrine on the Person of Christ regulates true worship.

 The Doctrine of the Trinity is so important that it separates true worship and false worship and it separates Christianity from cults. Clearly, Mark T. Barclay, being a heretic is worshiping another god who is a trinity of parts.

 “But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted.” 2 Cor 11:3-4

“Something has emerged in my walk with God that has become the most important element of my discipleship. It has become the thing that sustains me, that feeds me, that keeps me steady when I am shaky. I have come to see God, to know Him, to relate to Him as Three-in-One, God as Trinity, God as Father, Saviour, and Holy Spirit. God has given to me over the years a vision of Himself as Three-in-One, and the ability to relate to God in that way is the single most important fact of my Christian growth.”  The Magnificent Three by Nicky Cruz

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Mark T. Barclay: A different Trinity, a three-part being, by Ken Mattson

The Great Deacon Athanasius

The Great Deacon Athanasius

 With many applauses from his congregation in his heretical sermons on the Doctrine of the Trinity. The trinitarian heretic Mark T. Barclay  proclaims that the “great god”……he serves is a “three part being!”

“We call him Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. You are made after the image of God. You are a spirit…you have a soul…you live in a body. God’s a three-part being. Humans were created by God in Eden as a three-part being.” Mark T. Barclay-The names of God part two.

So is the Trinity a three-part being as Mark T. Barclay teaches and believes in? NO! This is cultic, being absolutely heretical and not only that, but a blasphemous heresy on the Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity!

By teaching that the Trinity is a three part being and not distinct Persons. The false prophet Mark T. Barclay is teaching a destructive heresy. Thus, Barclay’s god is drastically different from the Triune and personal God of the true Christian Church.

 Furthermore, like the Jehovah Witnesses who are the modern Arians, and who also heretically named God after his works as Creator. Mark T. Barclay names God as Creator, instead of the proper and Scriptural name as the eternal Father of the Lord Jesus. And greatly furthers the Arian heresy by teaching that God was not always called Father from eternity, but that there was change in God’s name for the sake of creation’s understanding.

 In other words, Mark T. Barclay continues the Arian heresy by naming God’s name as Creator and not the eternal Father, but teaches that there was change in God. Thus, clearly, Mark T. Barclay’s god is drastically different than the God of Christianity. Because the God of Christianity is one God being indivisible and Triune in three distinct Persons, and doesn’t change.

“Far removed is the Father of all from those things which operate among men, the affections and passions. He is simple, not composed of parts, without structure, altogether like and equal to himself alone. He is all mind, all spirit, all thought, all intelligence, all reason . . . all light, all fountain of every good..” Irenaeus, Against Heresies 2:13:3 [A.D. 189].

 In his newer book on the Trinity. Michael Reeves writes:

 “In Fact, we should not even set out in our understanding of God by thinking of God primarily as Creator(naming him “from” his works only)-that, as we have seen, would make him dependent on his creation.” Michael Reeves- Delighting in the Trinity.

 That quote was in reference to Saint Athanasius to his brilliant life long defence of the Doctrine of the Trinity against the Arians. But I’d like to add more and that it’s not only in regards to God’s name. As Saint Athanasius went on to say further that by naming God from his works as Creator did indeed warped and destroyed the true Christian God’s own identity as the eternal Father. Thus making a different god than from Scripture as the heretic Mark T. Barclay and the Arians blasphemous do in their shared teachings on the Godhead.

 “Therefore it is more pious and more accurate to signify God from the Son and call Him Father, than to name Him from His works.” Church Father-Saint Athanasius, Discourses Against the Arians: Discourse 1, Chapter 9:34

 I believe in one God, the Father Almighty.”  The Nicene Creed http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/nicene.htm

Thus, Mark T. Barclay is not only heretically wrong in one way by evilly teaching that God is a three-part being and not Persons. He is also heretically wrong in other ways by furthering the Arian heresy by teaching that the Father wasn’t Father,  but was Creator and that there was changed in God.

As I already told Richard Jolliff and Chuck Seeley about Mark T. Barclay. Men who by the way, are both anti-denominational and basic doctrinal stupids in their own right! I told both of them, that in Mark T. Barclay’s teaching on the Trinity. There are at least three evil heresies the Christian church has already condemned. Thus, Mark T. Barclay not only heretically denies the Orthodox doctrine of the Trinity, but he is worshipping a different god who is a trinity of parts and not distinct eternal Persons as Scripture clearly teaches.

Furthermore, men like Chuck Seeley and Mark T. Barclay can’t look to the Orthodoxy of the Church on such important doctrines as the Trinity or the Orthodox doctrine of the Person of Jesus Christ and Original Sin(Pelagius). Why? Because once they do, they are indicted as heretics for their evil heresies! Not only by Scripture, but indicted in time and space by the Church Fathers through the Orthodoxy on which the true Christian church stands.

Rick Renner, quoting A. W. Tozer, who was one of the most balanced theologians of modern times. Renner quotes:

“The apostles not only taught truth but contended for its purity against any who would corrupt it. The Pauline epistles resist every effort of false teachers to introduce doctrinal vagaries. John’s epistles are sharp with condemnation of those teachers who harassed the young church by denying the incarnation and throwing doubts upon the doctrine of the Trinity; and Jude in his brief but powerful epistle rises to heights of burning eloquence as he pours scorn upon evil teachers who would mislead the saints.”

So, does Mark T. Barclay believe in the Orthodox doctrine of the Trinity, which is held by the true Church? Absolutely not! But if you believe that he does, then you are as stupid and very much deceived as the Galatians! Because Barclay’s own teachings heretically deny such Orthodox belief. No paper thin Statement of Beliefs on the internet can cover up what he already teaches.

Anyone can lie and say they believe in something, and not practice it! Or in Barclay’s case, falsely say that he believes in the Trinity by a posted Statement of Beliefs. Yet, then goes about and destroys such Orthodox beliefs on the Trinity and teachings on the eternal Person of Jesus Christ through evil heresies.

So in summery, Mark T. Barclay’s teaching on the Trinity is heresy and compounded with heresies and the obvious ones are Arianism and Sabellianism. Mark’s own conception of God is irrefutably Arian in nature and his evil denial of actual Persons in the Godhead is Sabellianism.

Isn’t it ironic that the most celebrated defender of the Trinity, Saint Athanasius who is the Father of Orthodoxy. Would address the so called Bible-man himself Mark T. Barclay on the pages of Athanasius own writings against the Arians? And not only in the writings against the Arians, but Athanasius also addresses Barclay in his writings to the First Council of Nicaea on the Trinity. He not only address Barclay, but directly refutes Mark T. Barclay’s evil teachings.

It’s not only ironic, but it’s very prophetic . It must be quite unnerving to be in Barclay’s shoes and find himself and his teaching on the Trinity being refuted and condemned word by word, by the great Athanasius, which happened more than seventeen centuries ago. When the Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity was put forth at Nicaea to combat the Arian heresy.

Thus, the status and legacy of Mark T. Barclay in light of Scripture and the Church’s Orthodoxy is that he is a heretic and self-condemned by his own evil teachings on the Godhead and the Person of Christ and this is irrefutable.

As Walter Martin used to say in regards to false doctrine: “Does anyone get excited in the presents of evil anymore?”

“In Genesis Chapter. 1, it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah. There was his word, later on when he come here God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua….and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Mark T. Barclay, Jesus the command giver

In complete denial of the “Persons” of the Trinity. Barclay goes on and further mixes up who the members of the Trinity are. This is not isolated, because the ramifications of  this destructive heresy continues to manifest in the leadership’s prayers from the teaching pulpit. Where they mix up the names and roles of the eternal Persons of the Trinity.

“Those that permit the Holy Spirit to be their Father. Those who will allow the Holy Spirit, remember he’s not a third Person, he is God made up of three parts just like…my son Josh and his soul is not somebody else and his spirit is not someone else, and so I got to decipher…Now there’s not three people, it’s just one Josh three parts. There’s not three Gods, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, he’s just one. He’s just got three parts. So this great Holy Spirit wants to father you.” Jesus, the Command Giver – Mark T. Barclay

America knew that former President Bill Clinton committed adultery because all the facts pointed to that even when he publicly denied it in the first place. We know that Mark T. Barclay has taught the worst heresy on the Trinity and the Person of Christ by what he has taught and now is lying that he did otherwise. If a person will lie about God who is Trinity, than they are capable of lying about anything. The facts point to his apostasy from his heresy and now Barclay is publicly lying that he did otherwise.

Image grabbed from twitter.com and used only for critisim, educational use

Image grabbed from twitter.com and used only for critisim, educational use.

 

Mark T. Barclay and the Donkey: The Captivity of Amazing Grace Church

By Ken Mattson

“Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.” 2 Peter 2

Just as a donkey spoke to the false prophet Balaam, so to do donkeys speak to Mark T. Barclay today, but these donkeys are only analogous to the dumbness of the animal. The donkeys I am referring to are the men who I have mentioned before in Barclay’s own Preacher of Righteousness Network.[1] These men are theological anorexics who flatter Barclay even as he is in deep error.

These men are dumb asses and stupid as the people in Galatia! Men who have no regard for the integrity of Scripture. Men who have lost their call as a minister to love sound doctrine, but in exchange for orthodoxy they worship an idol made by the evil blasphemies from Barclay’s own mouth.[2]

By making God comprehensible instead of being incomprehensible. Barclay has made God into a creature like his son Josh with parts instead of co-equal persons and by teaching that God is not immutable and changes like in the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression, all along destroying the Creator and creature differences. Mark T. Barclay like Balam is leading God’s people away from the God who is Tripersonal and these men follow with vigor like sheep to the slaughter.

God is a Spirit, infinite, eternal, and unchangeable, in his being, wisdom,power,holiness, justice, goodness, and truth.” WSC

God is Spirit and not parts! God is divine persons and not parts as heretics teach. God does not change, but false teachers like Barclay teach that God changed some point in time into Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Barclay’s teaching on the Holy Trinity is not only evil by the breaking of the Second commandment, but it is compounded with heresies. In other words, it is not just one Trinitarian heresy he is teaching, but it is manifold and destructive.

Partialism …taught that Father, Son and Holy Spirit together are components of the one God. This led them to believe that each of the persons of the Trinity is only part God, only becoming fully God when they come together.” Trinitarian Heresies

If Barclay is right as these donkey-men think, than the whole Church throughout history is wrong and every heretic that has been condemned as a heretic for teaching things like Barclay on the Trinity are fully in line with Christian orthodoxy.

The three Persons are not each part of God, but are each fully God and equally God. Within God’s one undivided being there is an unfolding into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three Persons.”[3] desiringgod.org

Darkness leads to more darkness! In a letter that will be soon made an open public letter to Richard Jolliff at Amazing Grace Church in Wheeler, Michigan. I asked why Barclay was able to teach given that he has taught falsely on the Trinity, but in the end no response was given. Why was flattery given to such a great heretic in the presence of a feeble congregation, who many were confused if Barclay really taught blasphemy? Given Mark T. Barclay Ministries cult status, it is a good question to ask.

1. All Cults deviate from orthodoxy. 2. Mark T. Barclay Ministries deviates from orthodoxy. 3. Therefore, Mark T. Barclay Ministries is a cult. So it is perfectly and legally right to use the word ‘cult’ when referring to Mark T. Barclay and his ministry at Living Word International and his Preacher of Righteousness Network,[6] because Mark has deviated “from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith being derived from the Bible and confirmed through the ancient ecumenical creeds.”

Why do men like Richard Jolliff and Chuck Seeley need to answer? The reason is this is exactly what God is asking them if they are true ministers of the Gospel. This is a matter of sound doctrine and Christian orthodoxy and the true Church begs the question. So, Richard and Charlie, for the sake of your congregation. Why did you allow Mark T. Barclay to preach after you knew he was teaching a destructive heresy? Moreover, why was the one who stood up for Christian orthodoxy like myself allowed to be dismissed as a wrong doer?[4]

Those that permit the Holy Spirit to be their Father. Those who will allow the Holy Spirit, remember he’s not a third Person, he is God made up of three parts just likemy son Josh and his soul is not some body else and his spirit is not someone else, and so I got to decipher…….Now there’s not three people, it’s just one Josh three parts. There’s not three Gods, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, he’s just one. He’s just got three parts. So this great Holy Spirit wants to father you.” Jesus, the Command Giver – Mark T. Barclay

God does not bless heresy! God’s judgement is upon all heretics who have been predestined for such blasphemies as Mark T. Barclay! Their condemnation was written about long ago as Scripture tells even though it has not been manifested yet! It is a scary thing to fall in the hands of the Lord. There needs to be great repentance upon Barclay and his network of other Trinitarian deniers. Such men who preach Word-faith ideas on the tithe, yet deny the Trinity who is the only true God.

One person from Amazing Grace Church even condemned me and told me that if I think like this about Barclay than I could delete her off Facebook, but in the end she deleted me. Unlike Chuck Seeley though, who blatantly blocked me and wouldn’t answer me, she went on and told me that everything that comes out of Mark’s mouth is anointed and God ordained.

That is very scary that she would even think that way about Barclay’s words, but this is the kind of teaching coming out of Amazing Grace Church. Chuck Seeley told me six years ago that the condemned heretic Pelagius was actually a saint and he openly denied the historical data condemning Pelagius and his false teachings.[5]

One begs to question the logic in that, but it is an example of darkness. As I said before darkness leads to more darkness and when one is on the road of believing lies it happens little by little like a canker-worm that multiplies into millions overwhelming its host. Did Chuck Seeley lie? Historically against the church, yes. There is no logical way that it could not be one. Believing a lie or protecting a false teaching? There is no doubt that something false and evil was being taught behind that lie.

So using a simple deductive argument one could easily argue that Mr. Seeley is unfit for public service. I mean, if he is getting important historical data wrong on the Church and past heretics and heresies, than how is Chuck Seeley dealing with American history and current history? How can he even interpret American law properly without the history behind it? No American court would do such! Chuck is America founded on communism or democracy? Was Hitler a saint?

All throughout the Preacher of Righteousness network, there are churches like this who like Barclay have factual historical things completely distorted. This type of distortion has led to the acceptance of the greatest heresy to ever affect and infect the Church, which is the denial of the co-eternal and co-equal persons of the Trinity, which things are taught by Mark T. Barclay, Jehovah Witnesses and other cults.

In heaven Jesus was not known as Jesus, he was known as the Word. In Genesis Chapter. 1, it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah. There was his word, later on when he come here God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua….and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”Mark T. Barclay

One of the problems is that these donkey-men and Barclay think that they are not accountable to people in the Body of Christ and that they can teach anything they want to. Barclay at one point referred to this blog or a similar one and basically said, “but who is he to correct me?”. Would the Apostle of Paul have said such a thing? Certainly not! Paul after calling the Galatians stupid, told them that even if he came to them speaking another gospel different than what they heard even he should be accounted accursed.

The Apostle did not put himself above the correction of the Christian community as Barclay and his donkey-men do, but Paul recognized the seriousness of error and the consequences it has on the Church. Paul also did not believe in some sort of clericalism that Barclay learned from the U.S Military, which only a person above him can correct him for error. In the Church this is worldly and at best cultic and it reminds me of the super-apostles of Paul’s day, but even the Apostle said, What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe.”1 Corinthians 3:5

Paul, like the other Apostles recognized the authority of Holy Scripture and put his ministry under the criticism of it by the Body of Christ. Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Acts 17:11

A vivid picture is beautifully manifested of the early Church here and that is a church who has leaders like Paul who are under the authority of Scripture and who are even rebukable or worse by the community of believers, if they do not preach sound doctrine. It is also a Church that has people who like the Bereans who were accounted more noble when they eagerly examine the Word to see if what Paul said was true.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!” Galatians 1:8-9

All Christians are called to contend for the faith as Jude tells the Church. It is not just a select few people or scripture would not have commanded believers to do so or even given the even simplest Christians an anointing to know the difference between error and sounds doctrine.

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1John 2:26

So is this contending for the faith happening today? No, not in to many places in Mid-Michigan! At Amazing Grace Church it is not happening. The door has been shut off to any kind of Scriptural accountability, but only to Mark T. Barclay and maybe a few others who are donkeys also. I have watched Amazing Grace Church for years now and the people that have moved on from there had many gifts to offer. Musicians, international actors, artist, video professionals, theologian teachers, and the list goes on and on, but it was Jolliff’s lack of leadership that didn’t keep them.[6]

Why do I say that and how? Because it happened over and over and what is left is a people who are not theological enough to stand up to false teaching, even a evil denial of the orthodox teaching of the Trinity! Richard Jolliff with his southern back woods mentality is so focused on trying to be a ‘leader’ that he has not been capable of being an “unprofessional” as John Piper puts it and be a pastor of people-delighting in theology. This is a big problem, because in the end, instead of finding his identity in Christian orthodoxy, Richard Jolliff finds identity in the heretic Mark T. Barclay.

Lastly, one of the characteristics we read is if one is in Christ, that person would recognize false teaching. It is a rightful question to ask many of these people like Richard Jolliff and Charles Seeley if they are really indeed in Christ. They clearly are not able to recognize heresy, even a flat out denial of the orthodox teaching on the Trinity! Either scripture is true or it is not… Scripture is infallibly true though and the problem here is not with Scripture, but there is something drastically not right with Jolliff and Seeley.

Why can I say that? Because as we read in John every person in Christ has an anointing to recognize false teachers and heresy. If Jolliff and Seeley had that anointing than there is no way they would have accepted a false teaching, especially one that denies the Tripersonality of God like Mark T. Barclay.

“All Christians believe the doctrine of the Trinity. If you do not believe this—that is, if you have come to a settled conclusion that the doctrine of the Trinity is not true—you are not a Christian at all. You are in fact a heretic. Those words may sound harsh, but they represent the judgment of the Christian church across the centuries. Christians in every land unite in proclaiming that our God eternally exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Those who deny that truth place themselves outside the pale of Christian orthodoxy.” Ray Pritchard

P.S. Those who say that “Mark T. Barclay is my pastor”. I just want to tell you that unless Mark is present in your churches on a weekly basis, properly administer Word and Sacrament that there is no biblical way that he can be your pastor, but only on a cultic level can he even be your pastor! Just think of all the tithes and offerings that you robbed your own churches of only to give it into the hands of a cult.

To be continued in act two.

References

1.I say all of that because you have stated that you and your other Preacher of Righteousness members have tested your relationship with Mark T. Barclay and “the man’s life and his doctrine and all of them are shining like gold.” That’s absolutely frightening that you would say something like that and you are a pastor, given Mark T. Barclay’s heretical teaching on the Holy Trinity. Heresy doesn’t get more clearer, but then again you are very ignorant!

2. As the dog that turns to his own vomit, so these men are drunk from the vomit that flows from Barclay’s heresy.

3.“The three Persons are not each part of God, but are each fully God and equally God. Within God’s one undivided being there is an unfolding into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three Persons. The distinctions within the Godhead are not distinctions of His essence and neither are they something added on to His essence, but they are the unfolding of God’s one, undivided being into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three real Persons.” desiringgod.org

4. This is because both of them are stupid as the Galatians while even yet being ministers. I can quote to them all day the church fathers to the Wesley’s to every single charismatic and Pentecostal theologian-pastors who some of them I personally know and been in their conferences! They to like Mark T. Barclay are standing outside the pale of Christian Orthodoxy.

5. After Chuck disagreed on the historical data from the Church on Pelagius telling me he was a saint, he said that he loved me. That’s fine Seeley, but I’m not looking for you to love me, because the God who is Tripersonal loved me and thus everlastingly loves me with his election unto salvation in Christ. I am wondering if you are in Christ and love the truth of Christianity! There is something greatly wrong with you if you are not believing historical truth and accepting a heretics like Pelagius and Barclay and not recognizing the greatest error to ever affect the Church, which is very evil, a denial of the Triune God, who alone is Tripersonal and glorious!!

6.The legacy of Amazing Grace Church from Richard Jolliff onwards is one of moving away from Christian orthodoxy. There are no other words for it! Why would any pastor let a person preach fully knowing they deny the orthodox teaching on the Trinity? Moreover, the removal of good ministers, the evil condemnation of Protestantism and the acceptance of the leadership of an heretic who is in denial of the evangelical doctrine of the Trinity. Error that is so great that it destroys the Gospel and Biblical Christianity! So(Amazing Grace Church), because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, ‘I am rich(with Barclay’s heretical leadership); I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold(Christian orthodoxy) refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.” Rev 3:16-18 You may be wondering why I just put Amazing Grace Church into those verses and used it allegorically. This is because I can and it’s nothing new, because in the history of Christianity, the Church fathers did the same when dealing with other great heretical deniers of the Triunity of God.

Mark T. Barclay and Modalism by Ken Mattson

In heaven Jesus was not known as Jesus, he was known as the Word. In Genesis Chapter. 1, it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah. There was his word, later on when he come here God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua….and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Mark T. Barclay, Jesus the command giver. [1]

So what do we learn from Mark T. Barclay’s teaching on the Trinity? 1. That God is three parts. 2. God is not persons. ‘People language’ is only used for the sake of teaching, 3. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not their eternal identity. 4. It’s drastically different from the biblical orthodox doctrine of the Trinity. 5. Barclay is not a theologian nor a biblical scholar as he claims.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is from eternity……..and everything to the contrary must be rejected as heretical.” Thomas Aquinas [2]

About the only thing that Barclay gets right in this definition is the name ‘Trinity’, but his definition is heresy, because it’s not the truth found in Scripture. As we will see below this is warped and touches on the heresy of Modalism, which denies the ontologically distinct persons of the Holy Trinity. So for Barclay to teach that the persons of the Godhead are merely parts instead of persons is serious and heretical and stands outside Christian orthodoxy. [3]

One of the striking realities in both Barclay’s books, teachings and worship services is the lack of Trinitarianism and it’s easy to see why with such devastatingly definitions as we see above. In one single swoop Barclay dismantles biblical orthodoxy and the chain reaction to other biblical doctrines is cataclysmic.

I say cataclysmic, because in Barclay’s preaching and teaching we don’t find a clear understanding of the orthodox teaching of justification by faith, nor sanctification which both are by the substitutionary atonement of Christ. Those teachings which are central to the gospel are just not found and it’s caused from this chain reaction of not understanding the Trinity. In other words, the domino effect is detrimental not only to other doctrines but to the gospel itself. The gospel is Trinitarian in shape, because salvation proceeds from the Holy Trinity.

The Trinity is the foundation of the Christian faith, but the church has also stated that it’s a mystery. God is love, because he is Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not nicknames but is the proper name for the God of the bible. They weren’t changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as Barclay falsely teaches, but they are eternal. The Father uncreated and eternal, the Son uncreated and eternal, the Spirit uncreated and eternal. Their biblical names correspond to who they are and their relations to one another first and then to creation. [4]

Neither do we confound the persons nor divide the substance. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, nor is the Spirit the Son or the Father. They are eternally united and distinct persons, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but there are not three Gods, but one God. [5]

“We understand equality to be in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, inasmuch as no one of them either precedes in eternity, or excels in greatness, or surpasses in power.” Saint Augustine [6]

So what is the biblical definition of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity?

The doctrine of the Trinity is there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In other words, God is one in essence and three in person. These definitions express three important truths: 1. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons, 2. Each person is fully God, 3. There is only one God.

This is what the Church has believed and it has reflected this in its historical writings and creeds for the last 20 centuries. Early church fathers saw these threats similar to Dr. Mark T. Barclay’s definition as heresy and ultimately threats to the Gospel itself. The Godhead is indeed real persons and the early church fathers in the face of attacks such as Arianism and Modalism labored on the truth that God is simultaneously one and three. Not three manifestations nor creatures, or parts, but God is three distinct persons, yet one in essence or substance, “tres Personae, una Substantia.” Church Father Tertillian 160-225 AD[7]

There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.  Thirty-nine Articles

Barclay also has his Christology wrong and is this from his refusal to acknowledge the Eternal distinct persons of the Trinity being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Son is the eternal only begotten Word(Logos)of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the only begotten Son of the Father, the Second person in the divine Trinity.

Moreover, though the Lord Jesus Christ was the pre-incarnate Word his name wasn’t changed to ‘Son’ as Barclay teaches. On top of that Barclay shouldn’t be so quick to correct even the apostle Paul who when writing of the preexistence of the Son referred to him as Christ Jesus. Christ didn’t become the Son at his incarnation, but was already in existence as the Son, a person present with God the Father from all eternity.

Jesus Christ, then is the eternal Son of God, the second person of the Trinity. He is God the Son first for Trinitarian reasons and when he became incarnate he became the son of Mary, the promised son of David, the Messiah.

Without the Trinity there is no salvation, because salvation proceeds from the persons of the Trinity. The father so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son and whoever believes in Him shall be saved. This salvation, the eternal redemptive work of Christ is then applied to the believer by the ministry of the third person, the Holy Spirit.[8]

The more we explore and understand the depths of God’s commitment to salvation, the more we have to come to grips with the triunity of the one God. The deeper we dig into the gospel, the deeper we go into the mystery of the Trinity.” Fred Sanders [9]

It’s no wonder why Barclay gets Christian history like Calvinism wrong like he preached at Amazing Grace Church in Wheeler, Michigan, it’s because he doesn’t understand basic doctrine. He has proven it time and time again. Church history and bible doctrine go hand in hand and Mark’s heretical definition on the Trinity found above clearly stands outside biblical orthodoxy.

Moreover, Dr. Mark T. Barclay cannot call himself evangelical without an orthodox understanding and teaching of the divine persons of the Trinity. No matter what’s on paper or a statement of beliefs, what really matters is what he is teaching. In Mark T. Barclay’s ministry statement of beliefs it states that God is Triune, but when worked out theologically by himself it is not only deficient but doctrinally outside biblical orthodoxy, because his definition is heretical.

This isn’t something new though, because many Word-faith ministers do exactly the same who are part of the Prosperity Gospel. They appear to teach biblical orthodoxy with a statement of beliefs posted on their website, but in reality they vomit falsity. For example Kenneth Copland has teachings concerning the Godhead which resemble that of Mormonism.

It’s easy to see the doctrinal destructiveness of Mark T. Barclay’s heretical teaching on the Holy Trinity. From the eternal persons of the Trinity, to the Person of Christ which is Christology, to the redemptive work of Christ, his substitutionary atonement and doctrines like justification, sanctification of the believer are all corrupted by the domino effect from an warped doctrine of the Trinity. Without the Trinity one has a different gospel and a different god and not the Triune God of the bible.

Barclay’s definition is heresy because its not the truth and like his false prophecies is a fabrication of lies.

What need would there be of the gospel, which is the substance of the New Covenant, laying down (as it does) that the Law and the Prophets lasted until John the Baptist, if thenceforward the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not both believed in as Three, and as making One Only God? God was pleased to renew His covenant with man in such a way as that His Unity might be believed in, after a new manner, through the Son and the Spirit, in order that God might now be known openly, in His proper Names and Persons, who in ancient times was not plainly understood, though declared through the Son and the Spirit. Away, then, with those “Antichrists who deny the Father and the Son.”Church Father, Tertullian, Against Praxeas written before 208A.D.[10]

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References

1.“In heaven Jesus was not known as Jesus, he was known as the word. In Genesis Chapter 1 it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah, there was his word, later on when he come here. God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua…. which really means the savior….So this Word in heaven he was the Word and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God there hovering over the creation of God. So there was the Creator he spoke through the power of his word……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father, the Creator, the Son of God really the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us….and then the Spirit, the great Holy Spirit……So you are three parts right after the image of God.” Mark T. Barclay, Jesus, the command giver. http://www.cfaith.com

2. Summa Theologica by Saint Thomas Aquinas, written 1265-1274 A.D

3. Modalism is a “heretical view that denies the individual persons of the Trinity. [It] views biblical terminology of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as merely modes of existence or manifestations of the one God” http://thecripplegate.com/modalism_oneness_and_td_jakes/

Mark T. Barclay’s denial of the real persons of the Godhead and his insistence that they are parts is akin and a form of Modalism.

Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God.  It is a denial of the Trinity. Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes, or forms. http://carm.org/modalism

The church rejected modelism as a heresy. It is clearly unbiblical, for the three persons enter transaction with one another. Jesus prays to the Father(John 17); the Father speaks from heaven while Jesus is on earth(Matt 3:17). The Father and the Son together send the Spirit into the world(John 14:16), and the spirit bears witness to Jesus.” John M. Frame, Salvation belongs to the Lord.

4. “Overall, the relations of the three are summarized in the concept of love, which involves a dynamic of both giving and receiving. The persons are what they are by virtue of what they give and receive from each other. As such, they constitute the being of God, for there is no being of God underlying what the persons are to and from each other. God’s being is a being in relation, without remainder relational.” Colin E. Gunton The Promise of Trinitarian Theology, page. 143

5. Athanasian creed http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/athanasn.htm

6. Summa Theologica by Saint Thomas Aquinas, written 1265-1274 A.D

7.Tres Personaeuna Substantia, coined by Tertullian and means Three Persons, One Substance.

8. “Christian worship is specifically the encounter with the Triune God whose is revealed in the mystery of salvation, in the work of the Father sending the Son and the Spirit for the redemption of the World. This is why as noted above, the traditional Christian doxology was to the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit.” Pentecostal Theologian Simon Chan, Liturgical Theology pg. 58.

9. The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything by Fred Sanders.

10. Church Father, Tertullian, Against Praxeas written before 208AD.