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Mark T. Barclay: Hatred for the Trinity and any Defense – False Impersonation by Ken Mattson

“Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the Lord, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?”  Is.29:15

Recently, Mark T. Barclay Ministries has set up a fake blogging website called Theology of Mark T. Barclay(Theologyofmarktbarclay). What’s astonishing about this is they rather blatantly copied this site name of The Theology of Mark T.Barclay(Thetheologyofmarktbarclay) and they’ve deliberately copied and stoled all my tags from my written post to use on their own post.

It also further appears that his ministry has unscrupulously gone as far as impersonating someone on their new blog – which is actually against the law. If you don’t know, false impersonation is both Federal and State crimes and should be the furthers activity from any Christian ministry saying they proclaim the gospel of Christ – especially a minister who has served as a Marine in the United States Military.

Their fake blog is about a guy by the name of Brother John and his new journey through the theology of Mark T. Barclay. Upon reading the articles though, it becomes very apparent that the entries weren’t written by someone unfamiliar with Barclay’s teachings – I think any lawyer could see that easily.  Again, we have thee legal proof of this and this is in the actual ownership of the site, because it’s Mark T. Barclay who owns and operates the blog and who is sponsoring and impersonating this Brother John. 

Further, the public revelation that Mark T. Barclay would go this far in being morally unethical in this matter both in his church piety and the business practices of his ministry is truly astounding and is a further example of his falsehood and apostasy. 

Below is the public record and can be found here: http://www.register.com

Screen Shot 2015-11-13 at 2.38.40 PMWhois Record:Theologyofmarkt.barclay

Domain Name: THEOLOGYOFMARKTBARCLAY.COM

Registrant Name: Pastor Chris McMichael

Registrant Organization: Engrafted Word Church

Registrant Phone: +1.9315281305

Registry Admin ID:

Admin Name: Josh Barclay

Admin Organization: Mark Barclay Ministries

Registry Tech ID:

Tech Name: Pastor Chris McMichael

Tech Organization: Engrafted Word Church

Tech Email: info@myonlinegenius.com

Barclay’s hatred for authentic Christianity: The Hiding of his heresies on the Trinity

As you can see, the legal name(s), which can be found publicly online is that of an ordained minister under Mark T. Barclay by the name of Pastor Chris McMichael and Engrafted Word in Church in Cookeville, Tennessee. 

Further the public information states the registered admin or the person and organization who controls the site is Josh Barclay and Mark T. Barclay Ministries. So clearly the blog is part of Mark T. Barclay Ministries and not Brother John’s site. 

I believe Mark T. Barclay Ministries copied my tags, my site name and that their site was maliciously set up with the intent to confuse people on search engines and this is because of Mark T. Barclay’s deep hatred for the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity and his deep hatred for the Christian churches defense of the truth of the Godhead over against his perverted heresies on the Trinity and the Person of Jesus Christ – which such Biblical defense – Mark T. Barclay has gone as far as falsely labeling defamation and slander.

I believe Mark T. Barclay Ministries copied my tags, my site name and that their site was maliciously set up with the intent to confuse people on search engines and this is because of Mark T. Barclay’s deep hatred for the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity and his deep hatred for the Christian churches defense of the truth of the Godhead over against his perverted heresies on the Trinity and the Person of Jesus Christ – which such Biblical defense – Mark T. Barclay has gone as far as falsely labeling defamation and slander.

Moreover, I think this fake site was also set up to give more credit to Barclay’s heretical teachings through false advertisement to those who are seeking the truth of the Trinity through the impersonation the Brother John. 

There are probably other reasons why his ministry acted unethically, but then again public records don’t lie and it’s Mark T. Barclay Ministries who owns and controls the .com blog site and it’s not a Brother John.

The other reason I think is that Mark T. Barclay is trying his hardest, – even going to the unethical means of copying my site and going as far as using fictitious names and fabricated stories – is to hide the truth of his heresies on the Trinity and hide his false prophecies from his deep pocketed financial donors and the public. Whatever the case is, it isn’t right at all and it’s a very unethical activity for a minister and ministry to be involved in, because it’s criminal. 

False Advertising to sell more Barclay products: The mis-painting of his image

What is the first public reaction when companies willfully engage in the practice of deception in order to mislead the public through false advertising? Well, first there is an public outcry, because people were stolen from through the deceptive greed of the company and parties involved; which usually leads to lawsuits with much damage to the companies, because of their illegal practices. Thus, false advertisement and the fruits of corporate greed have led to a lot of suffering and wrongful deaths in the United States. 

In this case of Mark T. Barclay Ministries with the deliberately copying my site name, tags and impersonating or at best secretly sponsoring Brother John’s blog – giving him books and bibles to do reviews and not letting the public know that he is sponsored and his blog is paid for by Mark T. Barclay is very misleading and deceptive to the public at large and is at best false advertisement.

From the lowest estimate, it’s probably in the thousands of dollars Mark T. Barclay Ministries has paid for the site’s .com, hosting and that’s not including the books and bibles that they gave this ‘John’ and that’s not including the research time and writing that would have been needed to do just one post – companies that do these types of practices are usually caught eventually and taken to court for deceiving the public.

From the lowest estimate, it’s probably in the thousands of dollars Mark T. Barclay Ministries has paid for the site’s .com, hosting and that’s not including the books and bibles that they gave this ‘John’ and that’s not including the research time and writing that would have been needed to do just one post – companies that do these types of practices are usually caught eventually and taken to court for deceiving the public.

Thus, for Mark T. Barclay Ministries to go this far to prop up his name, and to give more credit to his false teachings on the Trinity – just to sell more products through the impersonation of a Brother John is absolutely shameful.

But then again, this is Mark T. Barclay’s track record and legacy as a heretic. Mark T. Barclay’s name is synonymous with major Trinitarian heresy and his legacy is that of a deceiver and a false prophet. So maybe we shouldn’t be that surprised that he would go as far as breaking the Seventh Commandment along with false advertising and false impersonation through the overt sponsoring of a John by his ministry, but indeed it’s very shameful. 

Pervertedness, spiritual adultery and the online threats of physical harm to me

“Our God is a three-part being (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)”. Mark T. Barclay-The Missing Red Letters 2014

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Mark T. Barclay has already gone as far as teaching a least three of the most perverted heresies on the Trinity and the Person of Jesus Christ recorded in history – which heresies are rooted in Gnosticism. In his new book called The Missing Red Letters, he continues this sickness and teaches gnostically that God is a three-part being.

So I guess for his ministry to go about and copy my blog and go about impersonating a Brother John with many dollars of church funds is probably nothing to them ethically or morally – I guess when someone like Mark T. Barclay commits the ultimate form of adultery and that is spiritual adultery, nothing else immorally is off limits to him.  

Moreover, with the stories by former members of his church in the past that have written to this blog of spiritual abuse by himself and his ministers – I really don’t think anything is inconceivable now for Mark Barclay.

His hatred for the truth and his hatred for the truth of the Trinity and hatred of the defense of the Trinity has boiled over is absolutely astounding….… Its boiled over in this type of unethical practices of false impersonation by his ministry and the online threats toward me.

His hatred for the truth and his hatred for the truth of the Trinity and hatred of the defense of the Trinity has boiled over is absolutely astounding….… Its boiled over in this type of unethical practices of false impersonation by his ministry and the online threats toward me.

Just recently again, I was threatened physical harm by one of his followers over the Christian defense of the Trinity over against Barclay’s heresies on the Trinity. And another individual – most likely from Mark T. Barclay’s church – used all kinds of homosexually charged comments here on the blog and I traced the internet address back to Midland, Michigan – near Living Word Church, which is home to Mark T. Barclay Ministries.

Other Churches involved in FALSE IMPERSONATION and false advertising: The pen of Rev. McMichaels and Engrafted Word Church

Do you know your pastor is involved in false impersonation – hiding and the protection of Trinitarian heresies through false advertisement?

If you again look at the legal owners of the site on the public information you will also see that Mark T. Barclay Ministries didn’t act alone, but with another church and pastor.

Ironically, the Pastor Chris McMichael involved in this deceit is no other than an ordained minister under Mark T. Barclay and his church is called Engrafted Word Church.

From what I can see is that it looks like what little bible education he had was through Lester Sumrall’s Bible School, but the bulk of his education is secular and it’s in Geoscience. Further, it appears that he is not the owner of the site, but he works as an admin of the registered site. *Update 2016 below

If you go to this church or connected to this ministry; I would be asking questions why your pastor Chris McMichael and ministry is involved in this unscrupulous activity with the Barclay’s that is either criminal under U.S law or borders on the criminal.

Their site, which deliberately plagiarized my posted tags and my blog is obviously not Brother John’s site, because legally no John owns the blog. Moreover, the site is propped up and sponsored with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in monies given to Mark T. Barclay Ministries.

Again, it’s highly unlikely that there is a real Brother John in the first place and it seems this is a classic example of false Impersonation – if not at best false advertisement to sell more Mark T. Barclay materials or to prop up his name, but legally, pastor McMichael is legally involved in this deception and scandal. 

Hosting aren’t cheap, including BARCLAY’S FAMILY BUSINESS hosted on the ministries servers: KMAS Racing

Just to let you know something if you don’t know – hosting and setting up a .com website. It ranges at the lowest in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars a year. Even for a person like myself – who is an occasional blogger; it would cost me a lot of money per year to make my blog site into a .com.

For me that’s a lot of Nespresso bullets that I could be buying for my espresso maker – so it’s not worth it. And to think a ‘Brother Jon’ would want to buy a .com – just to write about his experiences this year at a Living Word Conference and praise Barclay’s heresies – is an unthinkable amount of money for the average person to pay, when regular blogging, twitter and Facebook are free…. 

Further the astonishing thing is that the public records also appears that Mark T. Barclay Ministries has started a profit business called KMAS Racing, which is hosted and owned by Mark T. Barclay Ministries and most likely owned by a Barclay family member.

Further the astonishing thing is that the public records also appears that Mark T. Barclay Ministries has started a profit business called KMAS Racing, which is hosted and owned by Mark T. Barclay Ministries and most likely owned by a Barclay family member(Josh).

The site also has a forum, which is up to date on hobby radio controlled cars and dune buggies. The business called KMAS Racing also sells merchandise unrelated to ministry. 

If I was a giver to Mark T. Barclay Ministries, I’d be asking how much of your none profit money has been spent on the business from the church funds – because this is a legal matter and legally by law they have to be transparent without question.

Again, remember having a webpage and hosting is not cheap and not to included is the expensive cost of webpage, forum design and updates. It takes expertise to design, setup up webpages and host a forum. These specialized services alone are thousands of dollars a year and further, the profit business site is owned by Mark T. Barclay Ministries – not cheap stuff! 

I don’t know the laws in this area, but it does seem like a violation of a churches nonprofit status – having a profit business and using church giving funds to pay for the server use of the hosting of KMAS Racing.

Again, I don’t know, but it sure doesn’t look right and if I was the one giving to Mark T. Barclay Ministries, I would ask how much donations are being used to keep the business hosted and up to date and why donated monies are going toward the business of selling hobby related racing products – legally it really doesn’t look like it sits right with the IRS. 

*Update September 2016: It appears that they have taken the business page down, but still own the site. 

Mark Barclay’s DEEP HATRED FOR THE TRINITY and anyone who defense this most precious Christian doctrine

This is the sad state of Living Word Church cult and Mark T. Barclay himself and his hatred for the most precious doctrine in Scripture – being God himself – the Trinity.

Their actions towards me and this site only paint the picture more vividly of a evil man, a so called patriot(who hates the personal Godhead) and a ministry who will do anything to stop the historical and Scriptural defense of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity – even at the costly expense of false impersonation and false advertisement.

Their actions towards me and this site only paint the picture more vividly of a evil man, a so called patriot(who hates the personal Godhead) and a ministry who will do anything to stop the historical and Scriptural defense of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity – even at the costly expense of false impersonation and false advertisement.

The actions of Mark T. Barclay ministries only reveals a deep seated hatred of the truth of the Trinity – who is God alone in three divine persons(and not parts as Barclay heretically teaches), being simultaneously three in one; and further they will stop at nothing to prevent those as myself who would defend this Rule of Faith.

It’s absolutely mind boggling that they would go this far, but facts are facts and truth is truth and it’s his ministry who has done this unethical thing in setting up a fake blog with donated monies. This is sadly the reality of Mark T. Barclay and his followers – like other cults who hate the Trinity, and hate any defense of the Biblical Doctrine of the Trinity.

The truth is that Mark T. Barclay, his ministry and his associated ministers ordained under him have publicly attacked and persecuted any defense of the Trinity and the proper and Biblical understanding of Jesus Christ being one person with two natures, being truly man and truly God.

If you go to Mark T. Barclay church or a follower or Rev. Chris McMichael’s church you should be asking questions about doctrinal integrity on the Trinity, financial ones and about being involved in false impersonation –  using dot.coms and church monies.

*2016 Update: Mark T. Barclay’s thảm sát Mỹ Lai of souls continues:updated

Mark T. Barclay and the Donkey: The Captivity of Amazing Grace Church

By Ken Mattson

“Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.” 2 Peter 2

Just as a donkey spoke to the false prophet Balaam, so to do donkeys speak to Mark T. Barclay today, but these donkeys are only analogous to the dumbness of the animal. The donkeys I am referring to are the men who I have mentioned before in Barclay’s own Preacher of Righteousness Network.[1] These men are theological anorexics who flatter Barclay even as he is in deep error.

These men are dumb asses and stupid as the people in Galatia! Men who have no regard for the integrity of Scripture. Men who have lost their call as a minister to love sound doctrine, but in exchange for orthodoxy they worship an idol made by the evil blasphemies from Barclay’s own mouth.[2]

By making God comprehensible instead of being incomprehensible. Barclay has made God into a creature like his son Josh with parts instead of co-equal persons and by teaching that God is not immutable and changes like in the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression, all along destroying the Creator and creature differences. Mark T. Barclay like Balam is leading God’s people away from the God who is Tripersonal and these men follow with vigor like sheep to the slaughter.

God is a Spirit, infinite, eternal, and unchangeable, in his being, wisdom,power,holiness, justice, goodness, and truth.” WSC

God is Spirit and not parts! God is divine persons and not parts as heretics teach. God does not change, but false teachers like Barclay teach that God changed some point in time into Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Barclay’s teaching on the Holy Trinity is not only evil by the breaking of the Second commandment, but it is compounded with heresies. In other words, it is not just one Trinitarian heresy he is teaching, but it is manifold and destructive.

Partialism …taught that Father, Son and Holy Spirit together are components of the one God. This led them to believe that each of the persons of the Trinity is only part God, only becoming fully God when they come together.” Trinitarian Heresies

If Barclay is right as these donkey-men think, than the whole Church throughout history is wrong and every heretic that has been condemned as a heretic for teaching things like Barclay on the Trinity are fully in line with Christian orthodoxy.

The three Persons are not each part of God, but are each fully God and equally God. Within God’s one undivided being there is an unfolding into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three Persons.”[3] desiringgod.org

Darkness leads to more darkness! In a letter that will be soon made an open public letter to Richard Jolliff at Amazing Grace Church in Wheeler, Michigan. I asked why Barclay was able to teach given that he has taught falsely on the Trinity, but in the end no response was given. Why was flattery given to such a great heretic in the presence of a feeble congregation, who many were confused if Barclay really taught blasphemy? Given Mark T. Barclay Ministries cult status, it is a good question to ask.

1. All Cults deviate from orthodoxy. 2. Mark T. Barclay Ministries deviates from orthodoxy. 3. Therefore, Mark T. Barclay Ministries is a cult. So it is perfectly and legally right to use the word ‘cult’ when referring to Mark T. Barclay and his ministry at Living Word International and his Preacher of Righteousness Network,[6] because Mark has deviated “from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith being derived from the Bible and confirmed through the ancient ecumenical creeds.”

Why do men like Richard Jolliff and Chuck Seeley need to answer? The reason is this is exactly what God is asking them if they are true ministers of the Gospel. This is a matter of sound doctrine and Christian orthodoxy and the true Church begs the question. So, Richard and Charlie, for the sake of your congregation. Why did you allow Mark T. Barclay to preach after you knew he was teaching a destructive heresy? Moreover, why was the one who stood up for Christian orthodoxy like myself allowed to be dismissed as a wrong doer?[4]

Those that permit the Holy Spirit to be their Father. Those who will allow the Holy Spirit, remember he’s not a third Person, he is God made up of three parts just likemy son Josh and his soul is not some body else and his spirit is not someone else, and so I got to decipher…….Now there’s not three people, it’s just one Josh three parts. There’s not three Gods, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, he’s just one. He’s just got three parts. So this great Holy Spirit wants to father you.” Jesus, the Command Giver – Mark T. Barclay

God does not bless heresy! God’s judgement is upon all heretics who have been predestined for such blasphemies as Mark T. Barclay! Their condemnation was written about long ago as Scripture tells even though it has not been manifested yet! It is a scary thing to fall in the hands of the Lord. There needs to be great repentance upon Barclay and his network of other Trinitarian deniers. Such men who preach Word-faith ideas on the tithe, yet deny the Trinity who is the only true God.

One person from Amazing Grace Church even condemned me and told me that if I think like this about Barclay than I could delete her off Facebook, but in the end she deleted me. Unlike Chuck Seeley though, who blatantly blocked me and wouldn’t answer me, she went on and told me that everything that comes out of Mark’s mouth is anointed and God ordained.

That is very scary that she would even think that way about Barclay’s words, but this is the kind of teaching coming out of Amazing Grace Church. Chuck Seeley told me six years ago that the condemned heretic Pelagius was actually a saint and he openly denied the historical data condemning Pelagius and his false teachings.[5]

One begs to question the logic in that, but it is an example of darkness. As I said before darkness leads to more darkness and when one is on the road of believing lies it happens little by little like a canker-worm that multiplies into millions overwhelming its host. Did Chuck Seeley lie? Historically against the church, yes. There is no logical way that it could not be one. Believing a lie or protecting a false teaching? There is no doubt that something false and evil was being taught behind that lie.

So using a simple deductive argument one could easily argue that Mr. Seeley is unfit for public service. I mean, if he is getting important historical data wrong on the Church and past heretics and heresies, than how is Chuck Seeley dealing with American history and current history? How can he even interpret American law properly without the history behind it? No American court would do such! Chuck is America founded on communism or democracy? Was Hitler a saint?

All throughout the Preacher of Righteousness network, there are churches like this who like Barclay have factual historical things completely distorted. This type of distortion has led to the acceptance of the greatest heresy to ever affect and infect the Church, which is the denial of the co-eternal and co-equal persons of the Trinity, which things are taught by Mark T. Barclay, Jehovah Witnesses and other cults.

In heaven Jesus was not known as Jesus, he was known as the Word. In Genesis Chapter. 1, it defines the Trinity of God, the three parts of God. You are made by the way after his image, three parts. There was a Creator, he was later called Jehovah. There was his word, later on when he come here God said you call this baby, not the Word, but Jesus which really means Yahshua….and then of course the bible talks about the Spirit of God……now these aren’t three different people. We teach them sorta, kinda almost as three different people for the sake of teaching. Now that Creator, Word and Spirit for the sake of man understanding and relating was changed by God, you can read it in the Scriptures, I know you know this, forgive me this so elementary. But it was changed to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”Mark T. Barclay

One of the problems is that these donkey-men and Barclay think that they are not accountable to people in the Body of Christ and that they can teach anything they want to. Barclay at one point referred to this blog or a similar one and basically said, “but who is he to correct me?”. Would the Apostle of Paul have said such a thing? Certainly not! Paul after calling the Galatians stupid, told them that even if he came to them speaking another gospel different than what they heard even he should be accounted accursed.

The Apostle did not put himself above the correction of the Christian community as Barclay and his donkey-men do, but Paul recognized the seriousness of error and the consequences it has on the Church. Paul also did not believe in some sort of clericalism that Barclay learned from the U.S Military, which only a person above him can correct him for error. In the Church this is worldly and at best cultic and it reminds me of the super-apostles of Paul’s day, but even the Apostle said, What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe.”1 Corinthians 3:5

Paul, like the other Apostles recognized the authority of Holy Scripture and put his ministry under the criticism of it by the Body of Christ. Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Acts 17:11

A vivid picture is beautifully manifested of the early Church here and that is a church who has leaders like Paul who are under the authority of Scripture and who are even rebukable or worse by the community of believers, if they do not preach sound doctrine. It is also a Church that has people who like the Bereans who were accounted more noble when they eagerly examine the Word to see if what Paul said was true.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!” Galatians 1:8-9

All Christians are called to contend for the faith as Jude tells the Church. It is not just a select few people or scripture would not have commanded believers to do so or even given the even simplest Christians an anointing to know the difference between error and sounds doctrine.

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1John 2:26

So is this contending for the faith happening today? No, not in to many places in Mid-Michigan! At Amazing Grace Church it is not happening. The door has been shut off to any kind of Scriptural accountability, but only to Mark T. Barclay and maybe a few others who are donkeys also. I have watched Amazing Grace Church for years now and the people that have moved on from there had many gifts to offer. Musicians, international actors, artist, video professionals, theologian teachers, and the list goes on and on, but it was Jolliff’s lack of leadership that didn’t keep them.[6]

Why do I say that and how? Because it happened over and over and what is left is a people who are not theological enough to stand up to false teaching, even a evil denial of the orthodox teaching of the Trinity! Richard Jolliff with his southern back woods mentality is so focused on trying to be a ‘leader’ that he has not been capable of being an “unprofessional” as John Piper puts it and be a pastor of people-delighting in theology. This is a big problem, because in the end, instead of finding his identity in Christian orthodoxy, Richard Jolliff finds identity in the heretic Mark T. Barclay.

Lastly, one of the characteristics we read is if one is in Christ, that person would recognize false teaching. It is a rightful question to ask many of these people like Richard Jolliff and Charles Seeley if they are really indeed in Christ. They clearly are not able to recognize heresy, even a flat out denial of the orthodox teaching on the Trinity! Either scripture is true or it is not… Scripture is infallibly true though and the problem here is not with Scripture, but there is something drastically not right with Jolliff and Seeley.

Why can I say that? Because as we read in John every person in Christ has an anointing to recognize false teachers and heresy. If Jolliff and Seeley had that anointing than there is no way they would have accepted a false teaching, especially one that denies the Tripersonality of God like Mark T. Barclay.

“All Christians believe the doctrine of the Trinity. If you do not believe this—that is, if you have come to a settled conclusion that the doctrine of the Trinity is not true—you are not a Christian at all. You are in fact a heretic. Those words may sound harsh, but they represent the judgment of the Christian church across the centuries. Christians in every land unite in proclaiming that our God eternally exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Those who deny that truth place themselves outside the pale of Christian orthodoxy.” Ray Pritchard

P.S. Those who say that “Mark T. Barclay is my pastor”. I just want to tell you that unless Mark is present in your churches on a weekly basis, properly administer Word and Sacrament that there is no biblical way that he can be your pastor, but only on a cultic level can he even be your pastor! Just think of all the tithes and offerings that you robbed your own churches of only to give it into the hands of a cult.

To be continued in act two.

References

1.I say all of that because you have stated that you and your other Preacher of Righteousness members have tested your relationship with Mark T. Barclay and “the man’s life and his doctrine and all of them are shining like gold.” That’s absolutely frightening that you would say something like that and you are a pastor, given Mark T. Barclay’s heretical teaching on the Holy Trinity. Heresy doesn’t get more clearer, but then again you are very ignorant!

2. As the dog that turns to his own vomit, so these men are drunk from the vomit that flows from Barclay’s heresy.

3.“The three Persons are not each part of God, but are each fully God and equally God. Within God’s one undivided being there is an unfolding into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three Persons. The distinctions within the Godhead are not distinctions of His essence and neither are they something added on to His essence, but they are the unfolding of God’s one, undivided being into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three real Persons.” desiringgod.org

4. This is because both of them are stupid as the Galatians while even yet being ministers. I can quote to them all day the church fathers to the Wesley’s to every single charismatic and Pentecostal theologian-pastors who some of them I personally know and been in their conferences! They to like Mark T. Barclay are standing outside the pale of Christian Orthodoxy.

5. After Chuck disagreed on the historical data from the Church on Pelagius telling me he was a saint, he said that he loved me. That’s fine Seeley, but I’m not looking for you to love me, because the God who is Tripersonal loved me and thus everlastingly loves me with his election unto salvation in Christ. I am wondering if you are in Christ and love the truth of Christianity! There is something greatly wrong with you if you are not believing historical truth and accepting a heretics like Pelagius and Barclay and not recognizing the greatest error to ever affect the Church, which is very evil, a denial of the Triune God, who alone is Tripersonal and glorious!!

6.The legacy of Amazing Grace Church from Richard Jolliff onwards is one of moving away from Christian orthodoxy. There are no other words for it! Why would any pastor let a person preach fully knowing they deny the orthodox teaching on the Trinity? Moreover, the removal of good ministers, the evil condemnation of Protestantism and the acceptance of the leadership of an heretic who is in denial of the evangelical doctrine of the Trinity. Error that is so great that it destroys the Gospel and Biblical Christianity! So(Amazing Grace Church), because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, ‘I am rich(with Barclay’s heretical leadership); I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold(Christian orthodoxy) refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.” Rev 3:16-18 You may be wondering why I just put Amazing Grace Church into those verses and used it allegorically. This is because I can and it’s nothing new, because in the history of Christianity, the Church fathers did the same when dealing with other great heretical deniers of the Triunity of God.